3. Hi, thanks for sharing this information. I have a few questions for you if you get a chance to address them. Do you know how prevalent this level of infection is? Are we all walking around with latent infection? Can two people who have only had sex with each other have this type of infection? If you have trouble conceiving but were able to carry the baby to term does that mean you do not have infection? Thanks!
This is so important to discuss.
- First of all, Chlamydi.a itself is the #1 sexually transmitted disease. It is highly prevalent.
- Then consider this: those diagnosed with it think they can take a pill or a few pills and it will be gone. I subscribe to dr. Toth's and other's belief that this is not the case and it can be much more persistent than that. So men that "do the right thing" and get tested and treated and then are given the all clear, could be continuing to spread it to partners.
- Then think about how they test for it: the swab. Men hate the swab, it is by far the most painful thing my husband has ever experienced (yes, worse than prostate injections). So I imagine most men avoid it.
- For those that do test, there are many false negatives. These tests are now machine read to save time and money and that leads to less accuracy. Testing the way dr. Toth does leads to more positives, but he also has a lot more positives than the general population because of who comes to see him. They come to him because they know they have an infection or they know they have all the symptoms. Even Dr. Toth will tell you the test is limited to the area they test-is there active infection in that area at that time. So if all your history and symptoms scream infection, then you probably have it even if your test is negative. In fact, some couples only have one member test positive. Of course both should still be treated.
- Unfortunately, Chlamydi.a is spread more ways than just by se.x. It is spread to children through delivery. So you can be a virgin and have Chlamydia and not know it. You can be married and both you and your husband were virgins before you got married, and both have Chlamydia. Most people don't realize this.
- Finally, Chlamydia isn't the only infection that causes infertility. It isn't the only infection Dr. Toth tests for and treats. He is a pathologist. He treats all infections. Traditional "STDs" aren't the only ones that cause infertility. Many infections affect fertility. So if you have had STD testing, or are a virgin, you can still have an infection that affects your fertility. When I think about how many people have trouble getting pregnant, miscarry, deliver early..when I think of how many people have unprotected sex and premarital sex...I think infections are a huge epidemic due to being under diagnosed and under treated. One more thing-new research is suggesting Lyme disease (an infection that is spreading widely) may now be sexually transmitted and also passed on through childbirth. I think infections are a big problem in general. Dr. Toth says they are so under researched and that he believes they are tied to more than just IF-heart disease, cancer, etc. The body can't operate the way it was meant to if it is fighting a long term infection.
Airing the Chapel, that may be the result of skimming, or perhaps I didn't address it. I am not sure, so I am glad you asked if you sincerely wanted to know. While I think it is important to treat a systemic infection, I was not 100% convinced we should go to NY. I knew the treatment was expensive and we'd have to fight insurance to get even some paid for. I knew it was no guarantee to fix the problem long term. I knew there was certainly no guarantee of a healthy pregnancy. I knew it was going to painful for my dh. I knew we'd have to leave our children for over a week. I was at peace with our two children. I was also open to the possibility of adoption. I didn't have a clear sense of what we should do. Not in a tormented indecisive way. In a "I see the benefits to both sides" sort of way. So I did nothing despite the recommendation from Dr. Hilgers. And I prayed about it. And what happened was my dh got symptoms. And my dh was miserable. And my dh lead the effort of looking into it and researching it. And my dh made the final decision that we should go. For the possibility to improve our health for us and the children we already have. He also has a strong desire for a third biological child if possible, but we both agreed we would not pursue that if Dr. Toth thought it was not healthy to pursue. This was huge. Because, you see, my husband doesn't like to be away from our children (more than the average parent). He actually has paranoia that something will happen to us or them (he lost his dad in a car wreck at 12). He also doesn't typically go for unconventional treatments. He doesn't like pain (who does?) or needles in even the smallest sense. He is a reasonable guy, a CPA. He was not feeling good. He did his homework. He asked a lot of questions. And as the leader of our family, as well as the primary breadwinner, the one with the day to day symptoms, and the one that had to endure the most during treatment, he said yes. He thought it was best for us and our family. And as he was making that choice prayerfully and doing the research, barriers were removed. Plane ticket credits, hotel credits, deductibles already met, stocks increased in value, work time requested off was granted, my mom was no longer sick and could watch the kids, and things continued to fall in place. Our peace continued so we moved forward.
Regarding why my dh received shots in the prostate, I have cut and pasted some info from Dr. Toth's site:
Functional considerations: The prostate gland serves three basic functions:
Thanks for all your questions. If this sparks more, ask away. Coming soon...hsg next steps.
Regarding whether one could have an infection if they have trouble conceiving, and yet carry to term, I can only say that I don't think carrying to term in and of itself rules out an infection. People can have an infection and then pass it on to a child that is carried to term. Infection doesn't always lead to total inability to get pregnant, inevitable miscarriage, or early delivery and compilation. It can lead to problems for the child conceived in an infectious environment, but not always. The way I knew I had an infection was through multiple routes: 1) I tested positive for ureaplasma urealycticum during my lap with Dr. H-but Dr. H will be the first to tell you that many many patients test negative with him that respond well to antibiotics, 2) my dh's history with infection, 3) I had brown bleeding at the end of my period with normal progesterone levels as checked by Dr. Hilgers at his lab, 4) my miscarriages were consecutively worse-each they happened earlier then the last; plus the babies showed delay when compared to my dates of conception, 5) every lap showed a ton of inflammation that I was told was due to infection or inflammation, and 6) I did well with antibiotics and conceived healthy children until I overused them, my symptoms returned, and I lost babies again. Things that can make infection worse are: pregnancy, miscarriages, and surgery. I had two losses, had two healthy boys after aggressive treatment, then had a surgery, a pregnancy, a miscarriage, a D&C, a pregnancy, another miscarriage. So lots of making the infection worse. If you want to rule out infection, you can have cultures done during a lap with Dr. Hilgers, but since those aren't foolproof either a lot of it comes down to history and symptoms. I suggest reading Dr. Toth's book and taking the quiz. I suggest joining Dr. Toth's yahoo health discussion board found on his website fertilitysolution.com. That would be a good place to start.
2. As an immunological organ, it secretes bactericidal fluid that mixes with the ejaculate and protects spermatozoa
3. Not unlike the tonsils, it serves as a filter for bacteria entering the male body through the urethra. The prostate entraps and sequesters invading bacteria, and undergoes inflammatory and structural changes. In a stationery organ this process would ideally serve the body. As the prostate gland contracts every time a man ejaculates or urinates, these sequestrations are imperfect. Escaping bacteria are squeezed into other healthy parts of the prostate. If they enter the ejaculate, the bacteria will enter the female partner’s reproductive canal and may damage both the physical integrity and reproductive performance of the female genital tract. Once pathogenic bacteria breach the prostate, ascending infection to the bladder and to the kidneys or descending infection to the epididymis can occur. I rarely see males with bladder infections or kidney infections in my practice. I meet patients with epididymal infections regularly.
I hope you have read this in it's entirety. While I appreciate your concern for my husband and the pain he endured, I assure you it was quite voluntary and no one was more sympathetic to what he endured than myself. While I in noway discount what he went through, I would like to add women often go through many difficult things while treating infertility. My husband chose to take some of this on himself, and I honestly appreciate that he wasn't just willing to put me through things and then decline when it was his turn. That being said, I wouldn't have thought any less of him if he chose to not do treatment, I was honestly in a peaceful place and would have accepted that. And, I know that for me personally, going through the lab work, laps, mid lines, D&C's, and shots wasn't a big deal. Shots don't bother me, the pain was not ever severe, etc. It was the emotional part that was hard,, and he shared that with me every step of the way. Not to mention giving me the four shots a week through both pregnancies was harder on him then on me receiving them. My husband, though, has much appreciation for what I have been through. Additionally, I see that he has some pride for tackling something that he was somewhat fearful about. He learned what he was made of, in a sense. He told me before he has never been put to the test when it comes to pain. He showed such awe and appreciation for me having been through childbirth (and no, it wasn't natural; actually when my epidural worked I will go on the record as saying it was actually no big deal; but that first time when they refused to give me an epidural because I "wasn't far along yet", yet I was in hard labor due to pitocin-well, I earned my stripes that day). This was the first time I really heard him express admiration for me in this area. Because I know him, I know he would have been mad at himself if he would have let fear alone be the deciding factor in whether or not we went to NY for treatment. Also, me not nagging him, letting him make the decision, it brought us closer together. Dh, for maybe the first time really immersed himself in this research. It wasn't me. He took a very real personal interest in it this time, even more than before. I had already done the research. We were able to talk about it at a level of detail we hadn't already. We treated our infertility together for the first time. Regardless of the outcome, it was a good experience and we are glad we made the choice to go. Yes, I said we. Dh said he would do it all over again. And that, my friends, is quite the testimony.